tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7856627602404206262.post7682697318936762160..comments2022-11-11T13:51:58.624+00:00Comments on Feminazery: Loose Women Is Not A Valid Argumentmorningtonhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01189531902050114158noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7856627602404206262.post-1223872833028894942011-03-07T13:46:04.105+00:002011-03-07T13:46:04.105+00:00Female chauvinism is unpleasant, but I suppose it&...Female chauvinism is unpleasant, but I suppose it's a sort of progress when feminism isn't the only way women can be assertive through gender. <br /><br />Unfortunately, I've done such a good job of bringing up my daughters as a single father that they seem to believe housework is strictly a male preserve. (Yes, the courts do sometimes side with the father in divorce cases.)<br /><br />True, I am fed up of women who assume that no man can operate a washing machine, oven or vacuum cleaner, but at least nobody assumes that my (no better than average) abilities in that sphere prevent me from also running my own department at work. Also, I get a lot more credit as a single dad than most single mothers do, so on the whole I still get a better deal. <br /><br />Sneering at men's supposed domestic failures puts feminism back where it started and denigrates the very real progress made by the early feminists.Patrick Neylanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12809820426546001196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7856627602404206262.post-82120701711719746912011-03-02T11:41:27.995+00:002011-03-02T11:41:27.995+00:00I agree and I can't stand this tit-for-tat and...I agree and I can't stand this tit-for-tat and whiny 'but they do it' culture which seems to crop up in this circumstance and many others! I cringe at loose women and don't agree with the notion- as many i know do- that it's 'about time' women got their own back' because 1. it's stupid and 2. well you've explained how it roots round again against women (I may have to pass on this article to them).<br /><br />And 'but they do it' is never a good excuse nor reason, it just perpetuates the problem as this man has done.<br /><br />The problem also is, sadly, that a good number of women <i>do</i> have the mentality of 'about time, time for men to suffer and start being opressed' rather then 'about time we all get treated equally. Point in case, the divorce courts: my ex-friend crowed happily that she was awarded custody of her child purely for being the mother although, frankly, she was an unpleasant person. The father eventually got the child when neglect was seen, but first call was to her rather then the primary caregiver-him- just because she was the mum. On the other hand, my married friends are so pleased about the paternity news- although people are treating them like thier ways are crazy- because they always planned for him to be primary caregiver and her to continue her career.<br /><br />I think another problem is that everyone has their own view on what it is to be a feminist, i know many feminists which would be pleased women get first call in the courts and hate the idea of men get paternity leave because they see it as encroaching on women's territory and equally there are those that feel the opposite and see how these things trap women and have negative consequences.Louhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14949550583072956322noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7856627602404206262.post-57400330774639594822011-02-18T21:00:56.980+00:002011-02-18T21:00:56.980+00:00Haven't seen LW, but I did read Coren's ar...Haven't seen LW, but I did read Coren's article and interesting reading the comments after... There was one complaining about the Boots 'man flu' advert, so I went to look at it on YouTube<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9C4UVs3JD-g<br />Totally agree with what you are saying in this article: stereotyping men usually goes hand in hand with stereotyping women. In this case, myth of women-should-do-everything-at-home is propagated. Sad thing is that at first glance it can seem flattering to women - of course it's not. The fact that it is often true makes it sadder. Just because women-often-do-everything-at-home doesn't mean that women-should-do everything-at-home, and any advert like this that generalises the issues gives out the wrong message, reinforcing tedious prejudices.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7856627602404206262.post-39680785970858453042011-01-31T13:29:00.770+00:002011-01-31T13:29:00.770+00:00I agree with you. Every time I am unfortunate enou...I agree with you. Every time I am unfortunate enough to catch a few minutes of Loose Women I cringe: they are the sort of women that I would never want to spend any time with. Instead of elevating the discourse about the opposite gender, therefore leading the way and expecting men to do the same when talking about women, they bring their talk down to the same level as the men they abhor - it's a sort of tit-for-tat: if you can do it, so can we. That's not feminism is action. That's dumbing down. And it is an insult to my intelligence.<br />Perhaps we women should complain about Loose Women, and try to get it taken off air -it does neither gender any favours, and as women we should be ashamed of it.Angiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10546639530049758067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7856627602404206262.post-19401155382668515702011-01-28T21:57:46.397+00:002011-01-28T21:57:46.397+00:00I absolutely agree with you that many of the male ...I absolutely agree with you that many of the male gender stereotypes that are bandied about not only limit men in their own identities but also, in the end, perpetuate misogyny. Mrs Richard Keys' remark today is a perfect example of the "Loose Women" style 'men are so useless, poor loves.' In saying that 'as a man, a bit of you never grows up' she's suggesting her husband can't help being sexist; she's granting him permission to behave as he wishes towards women and in the end this is the effect of many male stereotypes.<br /><br />Oh and don't get me started on Coren. You're right, it's flamebait. Much of what he writes is designed to get as much attention as possible. He increasingly comes across as a narcissistic, self-publicist and it's infuriating because really, he 's actually too clever for that.Kate Treacyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00595119191804587479noreply@blogger.com